[Abandoned] - Europe 1099 - The 1st Crusade

by **miniwally** on Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:16 am

Al-qahirah looks like it's got 2 crescents

by **iancanton** on Fri May 01, 2009 3:00 am

i think u receive exactly +4 for holding all iberia: the christian iberia +3 is not in addition to this. however, this is unclear. to remove confusion in the legend, list all iberia +4 first, then indent christian iberia only +3 on the line below. also change + to & in the legend when it means and, so it isn't the same as the + in the bonuses. use the word each in the legend for the shield and crescent bonuses to show that u can have more than one.

italian independent states +3
all iberia +4
- christian iberia only +3
jerusalem & rome +1
jerusalem & rome & each shield +2
jerusalem & each crescent +1

ian.

by **fumandomuerte** on Sat May 02, 2009 3:28 am

My thoughts:
*Can you make the font sharper & darker?
*Wouldn't be a nice historical addition to make constantinopla a port too?
*The city of Edessa (north-east Antioch) was much more important than damascus, maybe you can change a little bit the shape and names of those regions around Jerusalem.

Great work so far, never gave me a time to check it out before.
=D>

by **Incandenza** on Sat May 02, 2009 5:02 am

A couple small things: England seems like more of a +2, and I think the map color for islamic caliphate could better match its corresponding color in the legend (for both islamic caliphate and all iberia).

by **alexandrois** on Mon May 04, 2009 5:49 am

you've taken out one of the best bits, why can't you have a diffrent stmbol for each country, like the couer de lion for england, the fleur de fleur for france? i thought that was great

by **Beko the Great** on Mon May 04, 2009 9:31 am

iancanton wrote:i think u receive exactly +4 for holding all iberia: the christian iberia +3 is not in addition to this. however, this is unclear. to remove confusion in the legend, list all iberia +4 first, then indent christian iberia only +3 on the line below. also change + to & in the legend when it means and, so it isn't the same as the + in the bonuses. use the word each in the legend for the shield and crescent bonuses to show that u can have more than one.

italian independent states +3
all iberia +4
- christian iberia only +3
jerusalem & rome +1
jerusalem & rome & each shield +2
jerusalem & each crescent +1

ian.

Thanks for the tip. Yeah what you say is right you receive +3 for holding Christian Iberia and +4 for holding All Iberia, not cumulative

by **Beko the Great** on Mon May 04, 2009 9:34 am

fumandomuerte wrote:My thoughts:
*Can you make the font sharper & darker?

I'll try it

fumandomuerte wrote:*Wouldn't be a nice historical addition to make constantinopla a port too?

I've thought of that too yet I think it would be too much things in one place only

fumandomuerte wrote:*The city of Edessa (north-east Antioch) was much more important than damascus, maybe you can change a little bit the shape and names of those regions around Jerusalem.

I can't replace Damascus by Edessa, because Damascus was a really important emirate. Yet I can add Edessa between Iconium and Damascus, but I think I'm out of space

Thank you for the cooperation

by **Beko the Great** on Tue May 05, 2009 5:51 am

Hello folks!

So here is version 11 of this map:

Click image to enlarge.

Changes:
Graphics:
Solved a problem between trebizond and Seljuk Turks, and added lighter borders to Seljuk Turks.

Names:

All the names of territories are in their native languages.

Please feel free to discuss!

by **pamoa** on Tue May 05, 2009 12:19 pm

Wikipedia wrote:The original language of the government of the Byzantine Empire, which owed its origins to Rome, had been Latin and this continued to be its official language until the 7th century AD when it was effectively changed to Greek by Heraclius. Scholarly Latin would rapidly fall into disuse among the educated classes although the language would continue to be at least a ceremonial part of the Empire's culture for some time.

so Byzantine Empire territories names in ancient Greek should be

Konstantinoúpolis
Thessaloníkê
Ípiros
Athễnai
Krētē
Níkaia
Trapezoúntos
Kýpros

and in French

Flandres

by **Beko the Great** on Tue May 05, 2009 1:36 pm

pamoa wrote:
Wikipedia wrote:The original language of the government of the Byzantine Empire, which owed its origins to Rome, had been Latin and this continued to be its official language until the 7th century AD when it was effectively changed to Greek by Heraclius. Scholarly Latin would rapidly fall into disuse among the educated classes although the language would continue to be at least a ceremonial part of the Empire's culture for some time.

so Byzantine Empire territories names in ancient Greek should be

Konstantinoúpolis
Thessaloníkê
Ípiros
Athễnai
Krētē
Níkaia
Trapezoúntos
Kýpros

Thaks for the tip!

and in French

Flandres

No... http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flandre_(Belgique)

I though it was Flandres too, but this was what I found

Cheers and many thanks for the continuous contribution!

by **pamoa** on Wed May 06, 2009 2:47 am

pamoa wrote:and in French
Flandres

Beko the Great wrote:No... http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flandre_(Belgique)
I though it was Flandres too, but this was what I found

That's only for the flandre belge but there is also the french ahd zeeland ones
so it commonly said les Flandres

by **Beko the Great** on Wed May 06, 2009 4:41 am

pamoa wrote:
pamoa wrote:and in French
Flandres

Beko the Great wrote:No... http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flandre_(Belgique)
I though it was Flandres too, but this was what I found

That's only for the flandre belge but there is also the french ahd zeeland ones
so it commonly said les Flandres

Thanks once again for the tip

I'll change it

by **AndyDufresne** on Wed May 06, 2009 2:17 pm

Beko,

I'm really digging the look of this map. A few points for possible improvement:

Territory division lines looks pixelated, jagged, etc. This may be because of the white used, as opposed to the darker continental/region borders which may obscure the pixelation more...but even they are also.

The border around the legend and title is alright, but have you experimented with any other designs? Just curious mostly.

The Crescent and Star icon looks a little coarse, at least compared to the shield. Anyway to spruce it up a little?

For the two Port territories in the Med, would you consider swapping the placement of names/army circles to make the Anchor actually touch the water/coast? Also, it is a little unclear what territory the Port is in the North, it looks like Normandy or Bret. I'm assuming Normandy, but perhaps you could adjust a little. It also may be worthwile to consider adding some sort of emblematic icon to Yeru, so it's easy to identify---and you could denote this in the Port description in the legend.

The color of the Turks is killing me. I know you are trying to find unique colors on a map with many regions, but it just doesn't fit with the map. Have you anything else to try on that area?

In the Med, you also seem to strangely switch from one wash of blue to another, abruptly, deliberate or mistake?

Should the "All Iberia" in the legend maybe be indented?

Keep up the work!

--Andy

by **Beko the Great** on Thu May 07, 2009 6:34 am

New Map!

Taking in acount the good sugestions of Pamoa and Andy Dufresne I just spent a bit time doing this completely new version of this map (and small map too) which in my opinion just doubled his graphic quality :mrgreen:

Large Map:

Click image to enlarge.

Small Map:

Changes:

Territory Names:
Byzantine names are now in Greek:

pamoa wrote:
Wikipedia wrote:The original language of the government of the Byzantine Empire, which owed its origins to Rome, had been Latin and this continued to be its official language until the 7th century AD when it was effectively changed to Greek by Heraclius.

Flandre changed to Flandres again.
The order in the legend of All Iberia/Only Christian Iberia changed to make easier to understand those bonus.

Graphics:
Say goodbye to old pixelated borders!
Say goodbye to burning eyes shock pink of Turks and say hello to a nice old-fashioned brown!
Flandres/Normandy border is clearer!
Crescent graphics changed as well.
Some graphic slight changes in general.

Enjoy!

by **pamoa** on Thu May 07, 2009 6:50 am

I think you should add some white glow to the names on the map
now they are hard to read

about the crescent they seam harder to distinguish now
maybe a bright green and some white glow

about gameplay maybe you should add a sea route between Norge and Scotland
now Scandinavia is a region bonus controlled by one territory

you are doing great
go on

by **iancanton** on Thu May 07, 2009 4:37 pm

in the gaelic language, which was spoken by most people in scotland at the time, scotland was (and still is) called alba.

http://www.gaelic-scotland.co.uk/maps.html

ian.

by **Incandenza** on Thu May 07, 2009 5:51 pm

Incandenza wrote:England seems like more of a +2

by **AndyDufresne** on Thu May 07, 2009 6:36 pm

Incandenza wrote:
Incandenza wrote:England seems like more of a +2

Agreed.

--Andy

by **Beko the Great** on Fri May 08, 2009 10:34 am

AndyDufresne wrote:
Incandenza wrote:
Incandenza wrote:England seems like more of a +2

Agreed.

--Andy

Using Widowmakers bonus calculator is worth of 2.58. I round it to 3... But I can lower it to 2, of course!

by **AndyDufresne** on Fri May 08, 2009 12:34 pm

I understand that is can be assaulted by a number of different territories and how that factors in, however, England borders two of the larger regions that will not be taken at least early on in the game, thus allowing England player to get a decent foothold in the mainland area. 3 seems like a little overkill.

On another note, could you slightly alter the color of France/Scandinavia? Either making Scandinavia lighter or a fresher green, or France slightly darker may be worthwhile to consider.

--Andy

by **Incandenza** on Fri May 08, 2009 1:56 pm

Beko the Great wrote:Using Widowmakers bonus calculator is worth of 2.58. I round it to 3... But I can lower it to 2, of course!

While the bonus calculator is a valuable tool, sometimes the numbers can be tweaked a bit... and in a situation with a continent with 2 borders like England, I'd rather see it a touch underpowered than a touch overpowered.

by **Beko the Great** on Fri May 08, 2009 3:19 pm

Incandenza wrote:
Beko the Great wrote:Using Widowmakers bonus calculator is worth of 2.58. I round it to 3... But I can lower it to 2, of course!

While the bonus calculator is a valuable tool, sometimes the numbers can be tweaked a bit... and in a situation with a continent with 2 borders like England, I'd rather see it a touch underpowered than a touch overpowered.

Yep I already understand the point I'll just change it next version

by **Teflon Kris** on Mon May 11, 2009 2:31 am

The Islamic crescents - possibly a point raised before - perhaps reducing the depth of colour / brightness may work better - would fit in with the rest of the map more? Or something...

Anyway, keep up the progress

by **pamoa** on Mon May 11, 2009 4:22 am

again about gameplay what about a Norge-Scotland sea connexion making those bonus less holdable?

by **Beko the Great** on Mon May 11, 2009 6:58 am

Hello folks! Listening to all the last sugestions here is version 13 with huge graphic upgrages!

Large Map:

Click image to enlarge.

Small Map:

Gameplay
Bonus:
British Isles is now worth of a +2 bonus.

Graphics
France is darker
Outerglow added to attack routes, legend, territory names, shields and crescents.

Hope you like!
Feel free to discuss!

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