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Re: Russian Revolution: 2/28 - Border Control p. 10

Postby natty dread on Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:59 pm

Well, could you show how the grey ones would look with multiply mode?
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Re: Russian Revolution: 2/28 - Border Control p. 10

Postby Industrial Helix on Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:27 pm

Gray on Multiply:

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And I thought this looked cool.

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Re: Russian Revolution: 2/28 - Border Control p. 10

Postby natty dread on Tue Mar 01, 2011 3:18 am

OK the first one is my favorite now. The 2nd one looks cool but it seems a bit too flashy for the theme...
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Re: Russian Revolution: 2/28 - Border Control p. 10

Postby Industrial Helix on Tue Mar 01, 2011 7:14 am

natty_dread wrote:The 2nd one looks cool but it seems a bit too flashy for the theme...


Agreed, but its still kind of cool.
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Re: Russian Revolution: 2/28 - Border Control p. 10

Postby Victor Sullivan on Tue Mar 01, 2011 10:19 pm

I don't know... I like the second one a lot. It actually gives the borders character - not very prevalent in many other maps.
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Re: Russian Revolution: 2/28 - Border Control p. 10

Postby Industrial Helix on Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:51 pm

The second one is quite cool... but who the hell ever used that for a border in 1917? Lol.

Anyway, I'm running with dashed.

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Re: Russian Revolution: 3/2 - Border Control p. 11

Postby ender516 on Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:07 pm

I find the dashed borders a bit busy, but if you are using them, you missed a few:

all of Volhnyia
Wilno/Lithuania
eastern border of Baltics
almost all of Novgorod
much of Chernigov
much of Kharkovski
northern border of Saratov
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Re: Russian Revolution: 3/2 - Border Control p. 11

Postby theBastard on Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:30 am

I like the cities texture now. the railway from Moscow to Kursk which you tried in one map was better, I think. but not so clear as the current.

the dashed borders are great. and looks pretty historical :)

it looks that bonus areas (Ukraine, Poland...) have "normal" borders and only regions have dashed ones - this was Helix´s idea, I think.
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Re: Russian Revolution: 3/2 - Border Control p. 11

Postby natty dread on Thu Mar 03, 2011 2:05 am

I don't know. The moscow area seems a bit unclear and cluttered, this way.

The grey with multiply looked much clearer.
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Re: Russian Revolution: 3/2 - Border Control p. 11

Postby Industrial Helix on Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:26 pm

I think the connections could be worked on to make them more obvious... I'll take a look and see what I can do.

Ender, I intentionally left those solid to signify the end of a certain bonus region.

Overall... I didn't particularly like them gray. They just felt strange to me. If the dashed border continue to be a problem, I'll figure something out.
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Re: Russian Revolution: 3/2 - Border Control p. 11

Postby Victor Sullivan on Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:16 pm

I have to side with the nay-sayers, I'm afraid, Helix. The dashed borders make the map look significantly more cluttered, something you really don't want for a map like this. Also, the army boxes look rather blurry to me for some reason :|
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Re: Russian Revolution: 3/2 - Border Control p. 11

Postby ender516 on Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:29 am

Yes, unfortunately, the dashed borders look more important than the solid ones. I know it's a lot of work to change them, but maybe the bonus zone borders should be dashed, and the internal ones plain (the plain grey lines weren't bad).
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Re: Russian Revolution: 3/2 - Border Control p. 11

Postby RjBeals on Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:34 pm

I thought cairns had complex maps. Jeeesh.
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Re: Russian Revolution: 3/2 - Border Control p. 11

Postby theBastard on Mon Mar 07, 2011 1:12 pm

some notices to regions names:
Simbirisk - Simbirsk
Cossacks and Kazakh is the same, just Cossacks is plural
Vologoda - Vologda (also Vologda Oblast)
Yaroslav - Yaroslavl
Nizhni - the city is Nizhny Novgorod
Nizhni Novgorod - Kirov could be fine
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Re: Russian Revolution: 3/2 - Border Control p. 11

Postby natty dread on Mon Mar 07, 2011 1:16 pm

The Moscow area still looks a bit cluttery.

How about if you try making the railways grey?
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Re: Russian Revolution: 3/2 - Border Control p. 11

Postby RjBeals on Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:30 pm

this map is 'looking' nice. Extremely confusing, It's very hard to tell borders with all those dashed lines and cross-hatched lines - but at leat the map itself stands out as something different.
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Re: Russian Revolution: 3/2 - Border Control p. 11

Postby Industrial Helix on Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:48 pm

Alright... I'm going to backtrack and just put in the normal border lines. I really don't like the gray lines, so if I can avoid it, I will. Let's try changing up the railroads instead.
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Re: Russian Revolution: 3/2 - Border Control p. 11

Postby Industrial Helix on Sat Mar 26, 2011 10:41 am

White rails are officially a bad idea:

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Re: Russian Revolution: 3/26 - White Rails p. 12

Postby natty dread on Sat Mar 26, 2011 11:49 am

I agree. Why not make them grey? Or try that grey + multiply thing you had on the borders at one point... I think that would work, it would make the rails noticeable but not competing with the borders.

Also, try having the rails go under the borders, not over them.
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Re: Russian Revolution: 3/26 - White Rails p. 12

Postby Victor Sullivan on Sat Mar 26, 2011 1:35 pm

natty_dread wrote:I agree. Why not make them grey? Or try that grey + multiply thing you had on the borders at one point... I think that would work, it would make the rails noticeable but not competing with the borders.

Also, try having the rails go under the borders, not over them.

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Re: Russian Revolution: 3/26 - White Rails p. 12

Postby Industrial Helix on Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:15 am

Hmm yes... all these things might work. I will give them a try.
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Re: Russian Revolution: 3/26 - White Rails p. 12

Postby Industrial Helix on Tue Apr 19, 2011 1:27 pm

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Trying to take my mind off the rails and see if anything comes up later. Gray didn't seem to work all that great either.

So basically there are some minor touch ups. I also added army circles under the hatched cities.

Speaking of the cities... I wonder if perhaps a dark shade or something might work better than all those lines.
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Re: Russian Revolution: 3/26 - White Rails p. 12

Postby natty dread on Tue Apr 19, 2011 1:46 pm

How about if you just lower the opacity of the rails?
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Re: Russian Revolution: 3/26 - White Rails p. 12

Postby Industrial Helix on Wed Apr 20, 2011 7:50 am

That might work.
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Re: Russian Revolution: 3/26 - White Rails p. 12

Postby theBastard on Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:27 am

what about grey railways?
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