CC Map Masters - The Ultimate 1v1 Battle!

by **iAmCaffeine** on Sat Feb 22, 2020 2:03 pm

Clanlord Carl wrote:honestly claim to be the best ever CC singles player.

not really

by **Clanlord Carl** on Sat Feb 22, 2020 9:04 pm

iAmCaffeine wrote:
Clanlord Carl wrote:honestly claim to be the best ever CC singles player.

not really

So you dont think 243 tourneys across every single map is a pretty good way to decide ?

by **iAmCaffeine** on Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:57 pm

Clanlord Carl wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:
Clanlord Carl wrote:honestly claim to be the best ever CC singles player.

not really

So you dont think 243 tourneys across every single map is a pretty good way to decide ?

you could argue from current players, not best ever. but even then i wouldn't agree.

by **Clanlord Carl** on Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:57 am

iAmCaffeine wrote:
Clanlord Carl wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:
Clanlord Carl wrote:honestly claim to be the best ever CC singles player.

not really

So you dont think 243 tourneys across every single map is a pretty good way to decide ?

you could argue from current players, not best ever. but even then i wouldn't agree.

I'm guessing if i pointed at the sky and said 'Blue' you wouldn't agree cos of a tiny wisp of cloud on the horizon. Of course i'm sure there are players who are very good who have stopped playing. Lets not forget the 7.8 billion who have never played CC a few of whom might be amazing if they only tried. This is the definitive test of 1v1 tourney skill the huge number of games ironing out luck.

by **iAmCaffeine** on Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:56 pm

about 70% of what you just wrote was worthless

by **Clanlord Carl** on Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:20 am

iAmCaffeine wrote:about 70% of what you just wrote was worthless

And nowhere have you justified your opinion that this isnt the ultimate test of 1v1 skill. Is boring to discuss something if the other never bothers to give a reason.

by **shoop76** on Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:40 am

Clearly 1 of the better tests to see who is the best. But, I think if you look at some of the bigger 1v1 tournaments there a few players that are always near the top of the leaderboard. Don´t think there is a lot separating the top 10 or 15 players. I think there are also a lot of high ranked players that never or rarely play 1v1 that would also do very well in 1v1.

by **Clanlord Carl** on Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:02 am

shoop76 wrote:Clearly 1 of the better tests to see who is the best. But, I think if you look at some of the bigger 1v1 tournaments there a few players that are always near the top of the leaderboard. Don´t think there is a lot separating the top 10 or 15 players. I think there are also a lot of high ranked players that never or rarely play 1v1 that would also do very well in 1v1.

I agree 100% while you can never definitively prove x is better than y at z you can certainly show you are one of the best if not the best by being consistently good. This tourney is a fantastic way to show that. Based on the exact current scoreboard at time of writing i'd draw my line at the top 13 (wink) being the 'top' 1v1 players. Joking aside i personally rate Josko as currently the most consistently formidable 1v1 player based my experience in the last couple of years across a wide range of maps but not by much and certainly there are some specialists on some maps who do far better in their practised area. Kaskavel and hive come to mind for example.

by **Kotaro** on Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:35 am

Clanlord Carl wrote:
And nowhere have you justified your opinion that this isnt the ultimate test of 1v1 skill. Is boring to discuss something if the other never bothers to give a reason.

Never talked to IAmCaff before, eh? Who needs logic or reasoning when you can just talk!

by **iAmCaffeine** on Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:13 pm

Kotaro wrote:
Clanlord Carl wrote:
And nowhere have you justified your opinion that this isnt the ultimate test of 1v1 skill. Is boring to discuss something if the other never bothers to give a reason.

Never talked to IAmCaff before, eh? Who needs logic or reasoning when you can just talk!

well i had fun

by **jfm10** on Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:45 pm

If there are 10 iterations for each map then you are only playing 15 of the 160 players for each map.As long as the iteration you join doesnt have the players you don't think you'll lose against then you will do well but would you be considered the best then ? Just saying as I am in the top 50 currently but in my opinion I am not even close to being that good.Extremely lucky at times absolutely.

by **iAmCaffeine** on Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:08 pm

just looked at the scoreboard for the first time ever. i'm a respectable #15. looking higher, there are 3 maybe 4 players i'd say are actually better than me. i dont mean specifically 1v1 but overall. is clanlord carl the best 1v1 player on the site? no. is he top 10? maybe, i don't care. looking at the rest of the top 50 there are definitely people i'd say are, in general, better players than me such as rockfist and urban jedi.

by **Clanlord Carl** on Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:20 am

iAmCaffeine wrote:just looked at the scoreboard for the first time ever. i'm a respectable #15. looking higher, there are 3 maybe 4 players i'd say are actually better than me. i dont mean specifically 1v1 but overall. is clanlord carl the best 1v1 player on the site? no. is he top 10? maybe, i don't care. looking at the rest of the top 50 there are definitely people i'd say are, in general, better players than me such as rockfist and urban jedi.

So how do you decide if someone is 'better' ? Again you state opinions without giving reasons or evidence.

I'm simply saying that such a vast number of matches will iron out random factors.

Lets look at the evidence.....
IamCaffeine our head to head 1v1 all time score is 9-4 nice but not quite enough to show if either of us is 'better' now if the score was 90-40 or 900-400 then yes i'd claim bragging rights if i was so inclined. For my amusement i then checked your head to head v your 'better' player Rockfist and to my surprise discovered you were 11 to 8 up in 1v1 while you beat UrbanJedi 1-0 how are they better than you ? I suppose it is possible they had awful luck but fought like demons with what they had.

As another aside my head to head v Rockfist is a very close 10v9 in 1v1 games.

I think you need evidence to support opinions.
This tourney will supply that in spades.

by **Clanlord Carl** on Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:36 am

jfm10 wrote:If there are 10 iterations for each map then you are only playing 15 of the 160 players for each map.As long as the iteration you join doesnt have the players you don't think you'll lose against then you will do well but would you be considered the best then ? Just saying as I am in the top 50 currently but in my opinion I am not even close to being that good.Extremely lucky at times absolutely.

I thought about that too. If i was fanatical I'd wait to pick an iteration that seemed to have no strong opposition to max my score. I expect the majority just join regardless of other signups so it is random.

by **kizkiz** on Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:43 am

iAmCaffeine wrote:just looked at the scoreboard for the first time ever. i'm a respectable #15. looking higher, there are 3 maybe 4 players i'd say are actually better than me. i dont mean specifically 1v1 but overall. is clanlord carl the best 1v1 player on the site? no. is he top 10? maybe, i don't care. looking at the rest of the top 50 there are definitely people i'd say are, in general, better players than me such as rockfist and urban jedi.

You clearly forgot me in the list :lol:

by **kizkiz** on Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:48 am

It's definitely good fun
I've played Carl in two rounds. Ireland and ccu.
Ireland he started first and had amazing dice. I was basically done before taking a turn.
Ccu I was well beaten.
Does that make him better? Maybe, but I'd want some more even fights first.

The scoreboard also doesn't tell the full story
I've got a semi and two finals starting shortly, so I've dropped down as no points coming in. Expect to be jumping back up again soon

by **ZaBeast** on Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:58 pm

If the scores are different enough at the end, that might be a good indication, but having the time to enter all the tournaments isn't a requirement for being a good 1v1 player. And as pointed out, results may vary on who you're entering the tournaments with (but I guess with the high number of tournaments it will balance itself out, unless you're actively trying to avoid certain players)
And also 1st turns may balance themselves out with time, but it will have more impacts in some maps than others

by **Donelladan** on Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:36 pm

t4mcr53s2 is the official CC 1vs1 champion.
End of discussion.

by **iAmCaffeine** on Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:39 pm

Clanlord Carl wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:just looked at the scoreboard for the first time ever. i'm a respectable #15. looking higher, there are 3 maybe 4 players i'd say are actually better than me. i dont mean specifically 1v1 but overall. is clanlord carl the best 1v1 player on the site? no. is he top 10? maybe, i don't care. looking at the rest of the top 50 there are definitely people i'd say are, in general, better players than me such as rockfist and urban jedi.

So how do you decide if someone is 'better' ? Again you state opinions without giving reasons or evidence.

I'm simply saying that such a vast number of matches will iron out random factors.

Lets look at the evidence.....
IamCaffeine our head to head 1v1 all time score is 9-4 nice but not quite enough to show if either of us is 'better' now if the score was 90-40 or 900-400 then yes i'd claim bragging rights if i was so inclined. For my amusement i then checked your head to head v your 'better' player Rockfist and to my surprise discovered you were 11 to 8 up in 1v1 while you beat UrbanJedi 1-0 how are they better than you ? I suppose it is possible they had awful luck but fought like demons with what they had.

As another aside my head to head v Rockfist is a very close 10v9 in 1v1 games.

I think you need evidence to support opinions.
This tourney will supply that in spades.

urban jedi is a legend around these parts, put some respect on his name

by **Clanlord Carl** on Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:20 am

Donelladan wrote:t4mcr53s2 is the official CC 1vs1 champion.
End of discussion.

As a player holding a ridiculous 5-2 victory margin over myself in singles i bow to your wisdom. Blimey only played t4mcr53s2 once in singles. Back in 2014 champion 1-0.

by **Clanlord Carl** on Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:21 am

iAmCaffeine wrote:
Clanlord Carl wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:just looked at the scoreboard for the first time ever. i'm a respectable #15. looking higher, there are 3 maybe 4 players i'd say are actually better than me. i dont mean specifically 1v1 but overall. is clanlord carl the best 1v1 player on the site? no. is he top 10? maybe, i don't care. looking at the rest of the top 50 there are definitely people i'd say are, in general, better players than me such as rockfist and urban jedi.

So how do you decide if someone is 'better' ? Again you state opinions without giving reasons or evidence.

I'm simply saying that such a vast number of matches will iron out random factors.

Lets look at the evidence.....
IamCaffeine our head to head 1v1 all time score is 9-4 nice but not quite enough to show if either of us is 'better' now if the score was 90-40 or 900-400 then yes i'd claim bragging rights if i was so inclined. For my amusement i then checked your head to head v your 'better' player Rockfist and to my surprise discovered you were 11 to 8 up in 1v1 while you beat UrbanJedi 1-0 how are they better than you ? I suppose it is possible they had awful luck but fought like demons with what they had.

As another aside my head to head v Rockfist is a very close 10v9 in 1v1 games.

I think you need evidence to support opinions.
This tourney will supply that in spades.

urban jedi is a legend around these parts, put some respect on his name

You could start by spelling it right there is no space in the mighty UrbanJedi

by **Clanlord Carl** on Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:27 am

kizkiz wrote:It's definitely good fun
I've played Carl in two rounds. Ireland and ccu.
Ireland he started first and had amazing dice. I was basically done before taking a turn.
Ccu I was well beaten.
Does that make him better? Maybe, but I'd want some more even fights first.

The scoreboard also doesn't tell the full story
I've got a semi and two finals starting shortly, so I've dropped down as no points coming in. Expect to be jumping back up again soon

Thanks Kizkiz im battling out the Ireland final now a thrilling last game 2-2 zombie games and cant put him down. Is why i play CC

by **Big Al 2012** on Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:32 am

Is there an issue with the Arctic map tournament? Tried joining last night (UK time) and again this morning... keep getting error message saying "player has joined another tournament in this series" I've certainly not signed up for Arctic yet...

by **josko.ri** on Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:07 am

Big Al 2012 wrote:Is there an issue with the Arctic map tournament? Tried joining last night (UK time) and again this morning... keep getting error message saying "player has joined another tournament in this series" I've certainly not signed up for Arctic yet...

You joined, see 19693710

by **iAmCaffeine** on Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:39 am

Clanlord Carl wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:
Clanlord Carl wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:just looked at the scoreboard for the first time ever. i'm a respectable #15. looking higher, there are 3 maybe 4 players i'd say are actually better than me. i dont mean specifically 1v1 but overall. is clanlord carl the best 1v1 player on the site? no. is he top 10? maybe, i don't care. looking at the rest of the top 50 there are definitely people i'd say are, in general, better players than me such as rockfist and urban jedi.

So how do you decide if someone is 'better' ? Again you state opinions without giving reasons or evidence.

I'm simply saying that such a vast number of matches will iron out random factors.

Lets look at the evidence.....
IamCaffeine our head to head 1v1 all time score is 9-4 nice but not quite enough to show if either of us is 'better' now if the score was 90-40 or 900-400 then yes i'd claim bragging rights if i was so inclined. For my amusement i then checked your head to head v your 'better' player Rockfist and to my surprise discovered you were 11 to 8 up in 1v1 while you beat UrbanJedi 1-0 how are they better than you ? I suppose it is possible they had awful luck but fought like demons with what they had.

As another aside my head to head v Rockfist is a very close 10v9 in 1v1 games.

I think you need evidence to support opinions.
This tourney will supply that in spades.

urban jedi is a legend around these parts, put some respect on his name

You could start by spelling it right there is no space in the mighty UrbanJedi

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