Whac A Mod 2024

by **aad0906** on Sun Oct 20, 2024 7:12 pm

Where did the event page go? What's the latest score?

***EDIT****

found it: https://www.conquerclub.com/public.php? ... ent_id=215

by **Swimmerdude99** on Fri Nov 01, 2024 10:55 am

Will games like this count towards players' score? Where neither player is a mod?

by **chipv** on Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:27 am

Swimmerdude99 wrote:Will games like this count towards players' score? Where neither player is a mod?

There shouldn't be any such games as tournament game creation permissions were only given to mods but...

There might be a case of the game being dropped but not deleted - do you have an example game?

The game should be scored as normal in this case.

by **Dukasaur** on Sat Nov 02, 2024 6:42 pm

chipv wrote:
Swimmerdude99 wrote:Will games like this count towards players' score? Where neither player is a mod?

There shouldn't be any such games as tournament game creation permissions were only given to mods but...

There might be a case of the game being dropped but not deleted - do you have an example game?

The game should be scored as normal in this case.

In previous years, I sometimes created games and removed myself before they finished filling. My logic was, I believe, perfectly sound. Every player should be able to get some games in, and there's not enough mods to go around. However, some mods got irrationally pissed off at me, and I discontinued the practice to avoid the arguments. I did not make any such games this year. It's quite possible someone else did. It's even very easy to do by accident: to invite yourself to games and forget to accept the invite.

Anyway, like you said, they should score normally.

by **Swimmerdude99** on Sat Nov 02, 2024 8:10 pm

chipv wrote:
Swimmerdude99 wrote:Will games like this count towards players' score? Where neither player is a mod?

There shouldn't be any such games as tournament game creation permissions were only given to mods but...

There might be a case of the game being dropped but not deleted - do you have an example game?

The game should be scored as normal in this case.

Sure! Here's one I found the other day when looking to see who might still up their score I came across: https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=23483184

Not sure if there were others so don't know if they will get credit towards their game count and/or their win count (and thus win percentage).

by **Swimmerdude99** on Mon Nov 04, 2024 12:41 am

Example 1:
The player directly above me in the rankings nibotha - who is a perfect example, because I won't beat them, even if the score changes to be reflected correctly:
52 games (51 mod opponents)
36 wins (35 mod opponents)
https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=23492456

36/52 = 69.2%
35/51 = 68.6%

Example 2:
Don however, got 3 games vs devante, who I don't think is a mod, and 3 wins. I don't know the best way to handle that, since he only would have 17 games. But would probably be most fair, to just not count them and still allow him to medal.
14/20 = 70%
11/17 = 64.7%

Kevi did not face other players - only mods.

by **chipv** on Mon Nov 04, 2024 5:53 am

Swimmerdude99 wrote:Not sure if there were others so don't know if they will get credit towards their game count and/or their win count (and thus win percentage).

Win tokens will still be awarded until 22nd November (From the event page) :

Code: Select all: Get Play Tokens when Games Start (before 2024-10-20 17:00:00) and Win Tokens when you Win (before 2024-11-22 23:59:59)

I think you are raising a legitimate issue and thank you for pulling up some examples.

We will look into this - we'll have this sorted for next time, but whether or not we can retroactively adjust the existing scores with this additional valid condition, not sure yet, will let you know - the complexity here would be to make the wholesale retroactive adjustments on all of the leaderboard, the logs, and the inventory.

by **Swimmerdude99** on Mon Nov 04, 2024 8:28 am

Yeah it would be a decent amount of changing I feel. I can see potential for abuse, but I see none here (at least in those that were higher on the leaderboard), and don't think it would be fair to disqualify Don. I don't see anyone intentionally targeting these open/unfilled games.

by **Donelladan** on Mon Nov 04, 2024 8:42 am

Devante is a mod. He appear as such on the scoreboard for olympic event.
But agree that games between two regulars player shouldn't count towards win %. While players can't be blamed for not knowing their opponents weren't a mods - so count them for the 20 minimums required games.

by **Swimmerdude99** on Mon Nov 04, 2024 9:15 am

Donelladan wrote:Devante is a mod. He appear as such on the scoreboard for olympic event.
But agree that games between two regulars player shouldn't count towards win %. While players can't be blamed for not knowing their opponents weren't a mods - so count them for the 20 minimums required games.

Oh, that's interesting. Either a mistake in the setup/classification, or I'm just a dummy.

Edit: He doesn't have colors, but it does say that Devante is a Tournament Director in his usergroups

by **chipv** on Tue Nov 05, 2024 5:07 am

Last update after a review:

Devante is a mod and players cannot be expected to know who is a mod necessarily. The issue is in the system not the joining player (Donelladan is one of the best players on the site)
No retrofitting tokens can be done on games that have been archived - next time we'll need early notification so we can fix those if needed
The size of the problem is very small, only a few games have this issue, so we won't implement any defence for next time, just will need games to be deleted after dropped

Thanks for highlighting this, Swimmerdude99, sorry we can't be of more help

by **Swimmerdude99** on Tue Nov 05, 2024 9:01 am

I really don't think it ends up affecting the outcome anyways! Glad I could highlight it, for the future.

by **ZaBeast** on Sat Nov 09, 2024 2:37 pm

I don't know if others are in the same situation, but I joined 8 whac games, but I only have 7 play tokens in my inventory, even though the log of the games all show one whac-a-mod play token being awarded (though for some reason it appears 1 round after the start in the poison rome one)

by **Razorvich** on Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:30 am

All games are finished.. prizes will be awarded this coming weekend

by **Razorvich** on Sat Nov 23, 2024 10:18 pm

PRIZE BREAKDOWN

by **Swimmerdude99** on Sun Nov 24, 2024 12:35 am

This doesn't seem right?
1) KKlemen with 7 play tokens
2) josko with 11 play tokens

Should be:
1) Kevi
2) Don
3) nibotha
4) swimmerdude99
5) rasputine
6) aad0906
7) j1mathman

Razorvich wrote:Participation Prizes:

.__ 20 .__OR.__ 12
.__ 10 .__OR.____ 6

The Top 7 Players with 20 Play Tokens or more will additionally receive:
.__
1st:.__ + + 1000 Credits
2nd:._ + + 750 Credits
3rd:__ + + 500 Credits

4th: 400 Credits

5th: 300 Credits

6th: 200 Credits

7th: 100 Credits

by **Razorvich** on Sun Nov 24, 2024 4:18 pm

Oops... looks like I have some fixing to do when I get home

by **Razorvich** on Mon Nov 25, 2024 2:33 am

All Fixed.. sorry about that

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